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	<description>Arguing for an alternative vision of Europe in the 21C</description>
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		<title>Comment on Click Here to Comment on Ireland&#8217;s Lisbon Verdict by chris</title>
		<link>http://eastwesteurope08.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/click-here-to-comment-on-irelands-lisbon-verdict/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am realy grateful to the irish people htat they has stopped this socialistic madness.
Thank you ireland.

Thanks for the comment. I suppose it's more Social Democratic than socialist - but the point is valid.
Interestingly, many of the anti-Lisbon campaigners in Ireland think the EU is too pro-capitalist, too liberal and too Western. The point to the single market elements, competition policy and NATO members. Some oppose Lisbon because it doesn't stress "social Europe." 
This view is, of course, mistaken. Yes, the EU has free market aspects but the price it has had to pay for the approval of Social Democratic Europe and the statists is a major infusion of regulatory and Social Democratic powers. If the Socialists gain a stronger hand in future - in the Council, in the courts or in the EP, they will use these powers against countries like Ireland, Estonia and Poland - states that are smaller but whose principal resource is the entrepeneurial spirit of their peoples, unleashed by the appropriate tax and business ncentives. 

Do contribute again.
EWE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am realy grateful to the irish people htat they has stopped this socialistic madness.<br />
Thank you ireland.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. I suppose it&#8217;s more Social Democratic than socialist - but the point is valid.<br />
Interestingly, many of the anti-Lisbon campaigners in Ireland think the EU is too pro-capitalist, too liberal and too Western. The point to the single market elements, competition policy and NATO members. Some oppose Lisbon because it doesn&#8217;t stress &#8220;social Europe.&#8221;<br />
This view is, of course, mistaken. Yes, the EU has free market aspects but the price it has had to pay for the approval of Social Democratic Europe and the statists is a major infusion of regulatory and Social Democratic powers. If the Socialists gain a stronger hand in future - in the Council, in the courts or in the EP, they will use these powers against countries like Ireland, Estonia and Poland - states that are smaller but whose principal resource is the entrepeneurial spirit of their peoples, unleashed by the appropriate tax and business ncentives. </p>
<p>Do contribute again.<br />
EWE</p>
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		<title>Comment on Václav Klaus - A Different Critique of the European Project by Erle Frayne Argonza</title>
		<link>http://eastwesteurope08.wordpress.com/2008/01/16/vaclav-klaus-a-different-critique-of-europe/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Erle Frayne Argonza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Vaclav. The compleat free spirit, freethinker. May he stay that way always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Vaclav. The compleat free spirit, freethinker. May he stay that way always.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fine Gael&#8217;s European Strategy by EWE Forecast of Fine Gael Turbulence on Lisbon Proves Accurate &#171; EAST WEST EUROPE &#124; Ireland and the Wider Europe, 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>EWE Forecast of Fine Gael Turbulence on Lisbon Proves Accurate &#171; EAST WEST EUROPE &#124; Ireland and the Wider Europe, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] result, and amidst the fuming anger of Dr FitzGHerald or Avril Doyle, readers should go back to our original analysis, written before we had any inkling of how this campaign would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] result, and amidst the fuming anger of Dr FitzGHerald or Avril Doyle, readers should go back to our original analysis, written before we had any inkling of how this campaign would [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Czech Radio Reports Shifting Mood in Prague by Bill Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While expressing his view against Lisbon, Vaclav Klaus al;so made an ill-informed comment about Esperanto. 

In fact this planned second language is spoken by a growing population of people across the world. Take a look at http://www.esperanto.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While expressing his view against Lisbon, Vaclav Klaus al;so made an ill-informed comment about Esperanto. </p>
<p>In fact this planned second language is spoken by a growing population of people across the world. Take a look at <a href="http://www.esperanto.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.esperanto.net</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Click Here to Comment on Ireland&#8217;s Lisbon Verdict by Fernando</title>
		<link>http://eastwesteurope08.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/click-here-to-comment-on-irelands-lisbon-verdict/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Portuguese and wish to know what was the referendum question, I would appreciate if anyone can tel me

Thank you

Fernando

ewe RESPONDS,
tHE VOTING PAPER SIMPLY ASKED VOTERS IF THEY WISHED TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE iRISH cONSTITUTION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR RATIFICATION OF LISBON. tHAT AMENDMENT SET OUT THE CHANGES TO iRISH DECISION-MAKING PROCEDURES AND PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD FLOW FROM ACCEPTANCE OF lISBON. iT ALSO INDICATED HOW THE Irish State might implement the Treaty. It reaffirmed that future referenda would be needed for any military alliance. 
Critics argued that the amendment was not explicit enough in defending Ireland's veto in other areas. 

Significantly, the amendment would have given Irish politicians the power to change many aspects of Lisbon at a later date without a further referendum - if they did this in conjuction with all other states in the European Council. That meant that changes to Ireland's veto powers in future would depend - not on voters - but on politicians. There wpuld be fewer referenda (some said non). Given that Ireland has this power to use referenda, many voters saw this as an underhand attack on their own rights. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Portuguese and wish to know what was the referendum question, I would appreciate if anyone can tel me</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>Fernando</p>
<p>ewe RESPONDS,<br />
tHE VOTING PAPER SIMPLY ASKED VOTERS IF THEY WISHED TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE iRISH cONSTITUTION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR RATIFICATION OF LISBON. tHAT AMENDMENT SET OUT THE CHANGES TO iRISH DECISION-MAKING PROCEDURES AND PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD FLOW FROM ACCEPTANCE OF lISBON. iT ALSO INDICATED HOW THE Irish State might implement the Treaty. It reaffirmed that future referenda would be needed for any military alliance.<br />
Critics argued that the amendment was not explicit enough in defending Ireland&#8217;s veto in other areas. </p>
<p>Significantly, the amendment would have given Irish politicians the power to change many aspects of Lisbon at a later date without a further referendum - if they did this in conjuction with all other states in the European Council. That meant that changes to Ireland&#8217;s veto powers in future would depend - not on voters - but on politicians. There wpuld be fewer referenda (some said non). Given that Ireland has this power to use referenda, many voters saw this as an underhand attack on their own rights.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About EAST WEST EUROPE by Mike Vine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Vine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have quite a well thought out editorial positions.

I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of what would make the European Union a worthwhile enterprise.

In fact, I have never allowed myself to support the EU because it seemed there was no preventing it becoming another Federal Government like the ones we are saddled with in North America. And because it seems to be already generating mega-bureaucratic programs like the CAP.

To see this clarity of insight shows me that what I've been reading about Ireland's free-market revolution may in fact be a libertarian intellectual renaissance. Good! You are seeing the benefit already, and if you don't get swallowed up into a Federal Europe, I think Ireland has immense prosperity ahead.

EWE RESPONDS
Mike,
Sorry to disappoint you on two issues: I would not be a libertarian in social policy (i.e., family issues etc) - though I am more so on economics. As for North America, I would not favor anti-federalism in the U.S. context. Conferation has an unfortunate and ugly history in the United States. (I would  certainly not agree with characterizations of the U.S.or Canadian Govt as "terrorist"). European states and cultural communities are more diverse and have longer histories of either autonomy or autonomous identity. Europe is building its infrastructure from scratch, so stopping at the confederal stage makes more sense here. Moreover, while the U.S. is 
supposed 

to be a federation, Irish and British people have always been reassured that the EU is not and that only a fringe minority (of Belgians!!) want it to be so. The nature of treaties like Lisbon make us suspect that there are more than the few Begian zealots involved! 
On the other hand, I would favor more of a states' rights interpretation of the U.S. Constitution if I was an American voter, though basic civil liberties should be universal. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have quite a well thought out editorial positions.</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of what would make the European Union a worthwhile enterprise.</p>
<p>In fact, I have never allowed myself to support the EU because it seemed there was no preventing it becoming another Federal Government like the ones we are saddled with in North America. And because it seems to be already generating mega-bureaucratic programs like the CAP.</p>
<p>To see this clarity of insight shows me that what I&#8217;ve been reading about Ireland&#8217;s free-market revolution may in fact be a libertarian intellectual renaissance. Good! You are seeing the benefit already, and if you don&#8217;t get swallowed up into a Federal Europe, I think Ireland has immense prosperity ahead.</p>
<p>EWE RESPONDS<br />
Mike,<br />
Sorry to disappoint you on two issues: I would not be a libertarian in social policy (i.e., family issues etc) - though I am more so on economics. As for North America, I would not favor anti-federalism in the U.S. context. Conferation has an unfortunate and ugly history in the United States. (I would  certainly not agree with characterizations of the U.S.or Canadian Govt as &#8220;terrorist&#8221;). European states and cultural communities are more diverse and have longer histories of either autonomy or autonomous identity. Europe is building its infrastructure from scratch, so stopping at the confederal stage makes more sense here. Moreover, while the U.S. is<br />
supposed </p>
<p>to be a federation, Irish and British people have always been reassured that the EU is not and that only a fringe minority (of Belgians!!) want it to be so. The nature of treaties like Lisbon make us suspect that there are more than the few Begian zealots involved!<br />
On the other hand, I would favor more of a states&#8217; rights interpretation of the U.S. Constitution if I was an American voter, though basic civil liberties should be universal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Securing Our Future? by de charette</title>
		<link>http://eastwesteurope08.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/securing-our-future/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>de charette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>





	Merci de votre reponse. .... Les irlandais sont europeens - mais les etats souverains d'Europe peuvent cooperer sans un nouveau etat dirigiste et federale. Demain, nous parlons non seulement pour l'Irlande mais aussi pur les citoyens francais qui regardent notre democratie en silence. 
EWE
(Apologies if my French grammar is a bit rusty]

vote NO is not a problem !!
in France, after the last referendum, they are no changement even we vote NO
so don't worry and vote NO !!!
The actual european system is not a good system on differents domains : economics (€ / $), sociologics, politics, etc.
so, please vote NO, NO and NO!!!!

A french man !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci de votre reponse. &#8230;. Les irlandais sont europeens - mais les etats souverains d&#8217;Europe peuvent cooperer sans un nouveau etat dirigiste et federale. Demain, nous parlons non seulement pour l&#8217;Irlande mais aussi pur les citoyens francais qui regardent notre democratie en silence.<br />
EWE<br />
(Apologies if my French grammar is a bit rusty]</p>
<p>vote NO is not a problem !!<br />
in France, after the last referendum, they are no changement even we vote NO<br />
so don&#8217;t worry and vote NO !!!<br />
The actual european system is not a good system on differents domains : economics (€ / $), sociologics, politics, etc.<br />
so, please vote NO, NO and NO!!!!</p>
<p>A french man !</p>
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		<title>Comment on Libertas Leaflet Campaign by &#187; Where&#8217;s the beef? Libertas&#8217;s well funded Reform Treaty campaign Semper Idem: A Blueshirts blog on politics, mainly</title>
		<link>http://eastwesteurope08.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/libertas-leaflet-campaign/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Where&#8217;s the beef? Libertas&#8217;s well funded Reform Treaty campaign Semper Idem: A Blueshirts blog on politics, mainly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Libertas website and elsewhere the other day, I noted that they have committed to ” fund an information leaflet for every [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Treaty of Lisbon: Form and Content by AndrewA</title>
		<link>http://eastwesteurope08.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/treaty-of-lisbon-form-and-content/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_____
&#62; What we need is a clear exposition of the new document,
&#62; as is, rather than the list of amendments

I'm creating something along these lines at www.constitreaty.com, albeit with a focus on comparison to the constitution.

Also check out Prof. Steve Peer's consolidated treaties analysis at Statewatch.org and Open Europe's comparative analysis, which may help.

____________

Thanks for the input. 
Apologies if I am replying late - but I will be more active this week as the poll date draws closer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>_____<br />
&gt; What we need is a clear exposition of the new document,<br />
&gt; as is, rather than the list of amendments</p>
<p>I&#8217;m creating something along these lines at <a href="http://www.constitreaty.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitreaty.com</a>, albeit with a focus on comparison to the constitution.</p>
<p>Also check out Prof. Steve Peer&#8217;s consolidated treaties analysis at Statewatch.org and Open Europe&#8217;s comparative analysis, which may help.</p>
<p>____________</p>
<p>Thanks for the input.<br />
Apologies if I am replying late - but I will be more active this week as the poll date draws closer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Swedish Minister Talks of NATO Membership by Swedish Minister Talks of NATO Membership &#171; The IRISH FOREIGN POLICY Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swedish Minister Talks of NATO Membership &#171; The IRISH FOREIGN POLICY Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by eastwesteurope08 on February 16, 2008  This is a cross-posting from my blog on Ireland and [...]</description>
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